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The Howards, Talbots and Seymours – England’s auxilliary royal families?

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This document shows the descent of the known “wives”, secret wives, mistresses, illegal wives amiranda_hart_in_2011nd alleged partners of five English and British kings, taken from Ashdown-Hill’s Royal Marriage Secrets:
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As a bonus, Laura Culme-Seymour, from a naval family, including Admiral Thomas Lord Seymour; Admiral Rodney and the first three Culme-Seymour baronets, has a famous great-great-niece alive today.

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    […] and a Lord High Admiral to the list of that Earl’s descendants. This can also be connected to our previous post about the Seymour to Culme-Seymour line (slide 5 of this […]

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  5. Completing the Set (2006) – Henry VIII’s other “wives” | murreyandblue

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    […] Kathryn Warner‘s latest tome has arrived and soon raised memories of Ashdown-Hill’s Eleanor, as two of the daughters in question – Joan of Acre (twice) and Elizabeth of Rhuddlan – are among the ancestors of Lady Eleanor Talbot, Lucy Walter, “Mrs. Fitzherbert” (Maria Smythe) and Laura Culme-Seymour, as shown in Royal Marriage Secrets and replicated here. […]

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    […] of the Stewart descendants of his sister Margaret, who did inherit in 1603. It leads through the Seymour and Grey lines, involving Arbella Stuart and the Dukes of Buckingham and Chandos, with the […]

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  9. A HAWKING RING OF THE TALBOT FAMILY – murreyandblue

    […] Talbot, the 2nd earl of Shrewsbury and his mother was Maud Neville. John was the half-brother of Eleanor Talbot, who was born from the first earl’s second marriage to Margaret […]

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  10. Michael Portillo’s Great Coastal Railway Journeys and Pembroke Castle – murreyandblue

    […] writing about Catherine of Valois, mother to Edmund and Jasper Tudor, in his book Royal Marriage Secrets John Ashdown-Hill writes “within two years of her husband’s death she had apparently begun to […]

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  13. Ten years ago today … – murreyandblue

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    […] between the uxorious George III and his brothers, including the Duke of Cumberland, that led to the Royal Marriages Act 1772, as well as George IV with Maria Smythe and then Caroline of Brunswick, followed by her trial and […]

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    […] meticulous work, conversations with heralds and personal recollections (viva voce, including his Howard connections) led manuscript with the bastardised version that emerged over two decades after his […]

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