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THE CARMELITE FRIARY OF NORWICH KNOWN AS WHITEFRIARS – BURIAL PLACE OF ELEANOR TALBOT

Jun 30, 2018

anniversaries, archaeology, battles, buildings, law, religion

Arminghall Arch, bigamy, Blackfriars, burials, Carmelite Priory, Edward IV, Elizabeth Wydeville, feast of St. Peter and St. Paul, friaries, George Plunkett, Henry VI, Henry VII, John Ashdown-Hill, John Earl of Shrewsbury, John Kenninghale, Lady Eleanor Talbot, Lady Elizabeth Talbot, Margaret Beauchamp, marriage, Norwich, Norwich Magistrates Court, Philip de Cowgate, pre-contract, Ralph Butler Baron Sudeley, Reformation, Richard Beauchamp Earl of Warwick, Russell Colman, Thomas Cromwell, Thomas Earl of Surrey, Thomas Howard 3rd Duke of Norfolk, Towton

UPDATED POST ON sparkypus.com A Medieval Potpourri https://sparkypus.com/2020/05/14/the-carmelite-friary-of-norwich-known-as-whitefriars-burial-place-of-eleanor-talbot/ COWGATE NORWICH, DAVID HODGSON c.1860. WHITEFRIARS STOOD ON THE EASTERN SIDE BETWEEN THE CHURCH OF ST JAMES POCKTHORPE (SEEN ABOVE) AND THE RIVER A SHORT DISTANCE AWAY..NORWICH MUSEUM On this day, 30 June, died Eleanor Butler nee Talbot. Eleanor came from an illustrious family. Her father was…
The abduction of Jane Sacherverell in November 1485….

Mar 22, 2018

battles, buildings, law

abduction, Battle of Bosworth, Henry VII, Jane Sachaverell, law change, Margery Ruyton, Markyate Priory, mediaeval women, pre-contract, William Willoughby

Stealing women (and also male wards) was a shamefully common event, especially in the 14th century, as I wrote yesterday. But it was still going on in the 15th century. Richard legislated on behalf of women, but so did Henry VII, with a 1487 “Acte against taking awaye of Women against theire Willes”. The following…
An anniversary with SHW

Mar 1, 2018

anniversaries, art, religion

Battle of Bosworth, battles, cartoons, Edward IV, Elizabeth Wydeville, Henry VII, humour, pre-contract, Robert Stillington, Thomas Lord Stanley, treachery

Today in 1484, Elizabeth Wydeville emerged from sanctuary in Westminster Abbey …
1484 – TITULUS REGIUS: FACT OR FICTION?

Jan 23, 2018

anniversaries, law, sources

“Tudor” propaganda, A R Myers, AE Houseman, Arthur Conan Doyle, attainder, Barnard Castle, Battle of Bosworth, bigamy, Buckingham rebellion, Calais, Charles Ross, Charles Wood, Chrimes, Chris Skidmore, Clements Markham, Commines, Coronation, Crowland Chronicle, David Horspool, depositions, Edward II, Edward IV, Edward of Warwick, Edward V, Eleanor Cobham, Elizabeth Wydeville, executions, Fabyan, George Duke of Clarence, Grafton, Henry Kelly, Henry of Buckingham, Henry Riley, Henry VII, historians, Historiography, Horace Walpole, Humphrey of Gloucester, illegitimacy, Jacquetta of Luxembourg, Joan of Navarre, John Daunger, John Home, John Morton, John Russell, John Stacy, King’s Council, Lady Eleanor Talbot, Lander, Lord Protector of the Realm, Louis XI, Mancini, Margery Jourdemayne, mediaeval canon law, minority kings, Mortimer Levine, National Archives, Northampton, Parliament, Parliamentary Roll, Paul Murray Kendall, petition to Richard III, pre-contract, Ralph Shaa, Richard II, Richard III, Richard of Shrewsbury, Richard of Warwick, Robert Stillington, Roger Bolingbroke, Rosemary Horrox, Scottish border, Simon Stallworth, Sir Anthony Wydeville, Sir Richard Grey, Sir William Stonor, Stony Stratford, Thomas Blake, Thomas Bourchier, Thomas Burdet, Thomas Grey Marquess of Dorset, Thomas Lord Stanley, Thomas Rotherham, Thomas Southwell, Thomas Wake, Three Estates, Titulus Regius, Treaty of Troyes, Walpurg, witchcraft, Wydevilles, York

Introduction ‘ ‘This is indeed a mystery’ I remarked.’ What do you think it means?’‘I have no data yet. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suite theories, instead of theories to suite facts.’ In Arthur Conan Doyle’s short story A Scandal…
A familiar name

Dec 27, 2017

genealogy

convent, Earls of Ormond, Edward IV, Ireland, Ladies of Llangollen, Lady Eleanor Butler, Lady Eleanor Talbot, Mail on Sunday, marriage, Nicky Haslam, Norwich, Plas Newydd, pre-contract, Sarah Ponsonby, Sir Thomas Butler, Whitefriars, widowhood

So there was I, just casually scanning the Mail on Sunday’s “You” magazine (22 October,p.23, interview with Nicky Haslam), when a familiar name popped up, a close friend of Haslam’s multiple-great-aunt. Unlike her near namesake: 1) She was a Butler by birth, not by (her first) marriage. 2) She didn’t go on to marry a…
Is Dan Jones beginning to understand …

Dec 18, 2017

genealogy, law, Science

Bertram Fields, bigamy, Catherine de Valois, Dan Jones, Edmund “Tudor”, Edmund Duke of Somerset, Edward IV, G.L.Harriss, Henry Cardinal Beaufort, illegitimacy, John Ashdown-Hill, mediaeval canon law, Owen Tudor, pre-contract, questions of paternity, remarriage of royal stepmothers, Royal Blood, Royal Marriage Secrets

… what is really likely to have happened in the fifteenth century (as Harriss, Ashdown-Hill and Fields strongly suspect)? At this rate, he will soon learn the fact of the pre-contract and how canon law works.
A simple statement of fact …

Jun 30, 2017

anniversaries, buildings, genealogy

bigamy, Blore Heath, Edward IV, Elizabeth Wydeville, illegitimacy, John Earl of Shrewsbury, Lady Eleanor Talbot, pre-contract, Robert Stillington, secret marriage, Sudeley Castle, Thomas Butler

… as shown at Sudeley Castle.
Give this Knight Errant a miss….!

Jun 19, 2017

Book Reviews

“Tudor” propaganda, Affinity, Anne Neville, Countess of Oxford, Edward IV, Edward of Middleham, Edward Woodville, fairy tales, Henry VI, Lord Protector of the Realm, pre-contract, Shakespeare, Stillington, Tewkesbury, Thomas More, Woodvilles

If you support Richard III and believe history has “done him wrong”, for heaven’s sake do not read The Last Knight Errant: Sir Edward Woodville and the Age of Chivalry by Christopher Wilkins. I made the mistake, and it soon struck me that the author had learned by rote every single myth about Richard, and…
Even more evidence of Richard III’s innocence….?

Mar 6, 2017

Uncategorized

bigamy, coins, Edward IV, Edward V, evidence, Lady Eleanor Talbot, pre-contract, Richard III, Three Estates

I confess to not knowing that Edward V coins had ever been minted. There doesn’t really seem to have been time to have reached that point. However, as it’s clear they were coined and distributed, I have cause to consider the implication. We have the old, old story that Richard was a dastardly, murderous uncle…
Eleanor again

Aug 27, 2016

Book Reviews, law

attainder, bigamy, book review, Chapuys, cover-up, denialists, dental evidence, Edward IV, Elizabeth Woodville, evidence, George Buck, George Duke of Clarence, illegitimacy, John Ashdown-Hill, Lady Eleanor Talbot, Lady Elizabeth Talbot, Lancastrians, Norwich, paperbacks, pre-contract, Richard III, Robert Stillington, Thomas More, Titulus Regius, William Catesby

John Ashdown-Hill’s Eleanor, the Secret Queen was first published in 2009, detailing Lady Eleanor Talbot’s family and early life, the circumstances in which she married Edward IV, her similarities to his mistress Elizabeth Woodville (they were dark haired, older and widows of Lancastrian-inclined men), canon law and how it affected Edward’s relationships and children together…