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Might Edward IV have had a third “wife”….?

Jan 6, 2022

anniversaries, genealogy, law, religion, sources

Anne Conyers, bigamy, Bishops of Durham, dispensations, documents, Edward IV, Elizabeth Wydeville, Epiphany Rising, Hicks, Lady Eleanor Talbot, Lumley-Conyers marriage, Lumleys, Richard Lord Lumley, Sir Ralph Lumley, wikitree

I’m not sure I kept track of everyone in this intriguing link but it makes interesting reading. Discussing it here would be complicated, the link has to be read in full. If the possibility is actually fact, it makes me wonder if Edward IV married someone else – as well as Eleanor Talbot and Elizabeth…
Charm and Grace, by the Legendary Ten seconds

Jan 5, 2022

genealogy, law, Music Reviews

bigamy, Bridget of york, Charm and Grace, Devon Roses, Edward IV, Elizabeth Wydeville, The Legendary Ten Seconds

Here is a link to an alternative version of one of our Devon Roses songs called Charm & Grace. I prefer this new version to the one that is on the Devon Roses album. I was never really happy with how the song sounded on the album. This was a disappointment to me as I…
The year of three kings

Dec 31, 2021

law, religion

1483, bigamy, Edward IV, Edward V, Ian Churchyard, illegitimacy, John Peel, Pageant of Torbay, pre-contract, Richard III, The Legendary Ten Seconds, Year of three kings

Here is an alternative version of the Legendary Ten Seconds‘ song “The Year of three Kings” and here is the official press release:
Another blunder in Cairo

Dec 27, 2021

law, religion

“Perkin”, Catherine de Valois, Countess of Warwick, denialists, Edmund Duke of Somerset, Edward IV, Elizabeth Wydeville, Henry VIII, John Ashdown-Hill, Juventus, Lady Eleanor Talbot, Owen Tudor, own goals, parish registers, Ralph Butler Baron Sudeley, Robert Stillington, secret marriage, Thomas Cromwell

Of late, I have read the denialists claim that Edward IV’s 1461 marriage couldn’t possibly have been valid because it doesn’t show in the parish registers anywhere in England, therefore his dozen children by Lady Grey must have been legitimate. The only problems with this are:1) Parish registers, inspired by Thomas Cromwell, only date from…
The Renaissance, wedding dresses….and Robert de Vere….

Dec 19, 2021

anniversaries, art, battles, genealogy, law, religion, Science

Agnes Lancecrona, Anne of Bohemia, Battle of Bosworth, blue, Eugenie of York, Henry VII, marriage, Philippa de Coucy, Radcot Bridge, renaissance, Richard II, Richard III, Robert de Vere Duke of Ireland, Royal Marriage Secrets, scoliosis, wedding dresses, Wilton Diptych

Well, I wasn’t looking for observations on when the Renaissance commenced, rather was I trying to find information on the wedding of Robert de Vere, Duke of Ireland, Marquess of Dublin, and 9th Earl of Oxford KG. The wording of my Google search brought up a site in which I found the following: “….During…
More Secret Marriages!

Nov 27, 2021

anniversaries, battles, humour, law, religion

Anne Boleyn, Barnet, Bishop of Liverpool, cartoons, Catherine of Aragon, Charles Brandon, Dan Snow, denialists, Edward IV, Elizabeth Wydeville, George IV, Henry VIII, John Ashdown-Hill, Lady Edwina Grosvenor, Lady Eleanor Talbot, Louis XIV, Madame de Maintenon, Maria Fitzherbert, Mary “Tudor”, pre-contract, Richard of Warwick, Royal Marriage Secrets, secret marriage, Twitter

Back in 2010, historian Dan Snow was married in secret to Lady Edwina Grosvenor, daughter of the Duke of Westminster. I’ve looked but I can’t see that Dan mentions Edward IV‘s probable ‘secret marriage’ to Eleanor Talbot in any of his Twitter or other postings on history. (He did once post a very entertaining picture…
The Earls’ Rebellion

Nov 24, 2021

anniversaries, buildings, genealogy, law, religion

Agnes Dunbar, annulment, Archibald the Grim, Avignon popes, Battle of Neville’s Cross, Callum Watson, captivity, coronations, david II, Earls’ Rebellion, exile, France, imprisonment, Joan of the Tower, John of Gaunt, Margaret Drummond, mediaeval canon law, patronage, rebellions, Robert I, Robert II, Scone Palace, Scotland, Sir John Logie, Tantallon Castle, William Keith

This is a quite remarkable article by Dr. Callum Watson about the revolt against David II in 1363. To summarise the background:David succeeded Robert I in 1329 at the age of five. He was exiled in France between 1334 and 1341. He was captured at the Battle of Neville’s Cross in 1346 and ransomed in…
What the heck is a writ devenerunt? Or….Latin will be the death of me….

Nov 17, 2021

law

Hicks, Inquisitions Post Mortem, Latin, legal terminology, tenants in chief, writ devenerunt

I’ve said before that my Latin education stopped after the first year, when the new school I was attending realised I wasn’t quite as bright as they’d initially thought. I was not “A” stream material, I fear, so down I went, not one notch, but two! Oh dear. Anyway this is one of the…
Not just another Anne Boleyn series

Nov 14, 2021

anniversaries, genealogy, law, religion, television reviews

Anne Boleyn, annulments, BBC2, bigamy, Careys, Diarmaid MacCulloch, Elizabeth II, executions, George Boleyn, Henry VIII, Jane Parker Viscountess Rochford, Leanda de Lisle, Mary Boleyn, mediaeval canon law, secret marriage, The Boleyns: A scandalous family, Thomas Cromwell, Thomas Wolsey

This was shown on BBC2 during August and the subject has been covered several times in recent years, not least with our old friend Dr. Starkey. However, I am pleased I watched it for two reasons. The first is that The Boleyns: A scandalous family discussed the situation from the perspective of Thomas Boleyn seeking…
Ralph Neville, second Earl of Westmorland.

Nov 9, 2021

anniversaries, buildings, genealogy, law

AJ Pollard, Cockermouth Castle, Elizabeth Holland, Elizabeth Percy, Holands, Joan “Beaufort”, Margaret Cobham, Percies, property disputes, Raby Castle, Ralph 2nd Earl of Westmorland, Ralph Earl of Westmorland, Richard III, Richard of Salisbury, Rising of the North, Sir John Neville, Sir Thomas Neville, Towton, Wars of the Roses

Ralph Neville (about 1406 to 1484) was the son of Sir John Neville and Elizabeth Holland. Sir John was the eldest son of Ralph Neville, Earl of Westmorland by his first wife, Margaret Stafford, while Elizabeth was one of the late 14th Century’s answer to the Mitford Sisters, the Holland sisters who married anyone who…